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senator jon tester is standing by to weigh in. that coffee is going to work with my sister at some point. and later, three of the democratic attorneys general taking on trump and winning. they'll join us live to talk about their strategy and what they're focusing on next. but we begin with president trump and the art of flooding the zone. this week alone, he signed a signed a proclamation issuing a travel ban on 12 countries and partial restrictions on seven others. trump also barred foreign students from entering the u.s. on visas, but that order has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge, and he ordered the doj to look into whether president biden used an autopen to sign documents while in office. reminder that presidents typically tell the doj to do anything. trump has accused biden aides of using autopen signatures to cover up his, quote, cognitive decline. biden calls the allegations ridiculous and false. to be clear, trump is not blindly

throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us. it's also likely part of a larger strategy, perhaps, to distract us from the fact that the nonpartisan congressional budget office projected that trump's spending bill will add $2.4 trillion with a t to the national debt over the next ten years. but this should come as no surprise. that feeling that you have every day of, oh my god, what the hell is happening? how do i keep up with all of this news? you may remember former trump white house chief strategist steve bannon said that this was the plan all along. >> i said, all we. >> have to. do is. flood the zone every day. we hit him with three things. they'll bite on one and we'll get all of our stuff done. >> bang, bang, bang. >> these guys will never, will. >> never. >> be able to recover. >> joining us now, former senator jon tester of montana. he's also an msnbc political analyst. senator, thank you so much for joining us. i want to start there with the, you know, republicans. and they're

flooding the zone, trump acolytes flooding the zone, the original travel ban. right. it caused all of this chaos. and there was all these protests that happened. and the effect of flooding the zone is also that people get used to things. this new travel ban happened and there wasn't much protest in the street. not much happened. so how do are folks just not shocked anymore as these things happen? and is that also part of the plan? >> well, i think i think it is. i think ultimately the bigger part of the plan is the lack of accountability. if you flood the zone, that means people can't pay attention and there's no accountability to the actions that that are going on there. and i think that becomes a huge problem. and that accountability not only comes from the press, but it also comes from the constituents. and since there's so much stuff hitting the street, you just don't know. you don't know which way to turn. and so a lot of the bannon is right. a lot of that a lot of the stuff gets through. when in fact, if there was some time to sit and analyze what was going

on, you would know it's not good for working families and businesses and, you know, the country as a whole. >> but. >> senator, you know this what you say is right. it's not good for the country. it's not good for their constituents. and yet, when you look at the polls, the president's approval rating is. >> ticking up. >> particularly among among republicans. it seems as though what he's doing is kind of popular. so how do you push back on that? and also, i just want to make this one caveat. the president doesn't care about his overall job approval rating. what he cares about is his approval rating among republicans and his approval rating among republicans is pretty solid. >> yeah. look, he's he's implementing the 2025 plan chapter and verse. and i think that it takes time for policies to become reality on the ground. i mean, the tariffs are a prime example. we haven't seen the

true impacts of tariffs and probably won't for another couple of months. but when they happen, it's going to take a long time to roll the clock back on this stuff. and so when people start seeing how the policies are really flawed and start feeling it in their pocketbooks, then i think you'll you'll see that that level of support drop and it just, you know, nothing happens overnight. it takes it takes time. and now the key is, is that some of the people that feel this pain, i'm sure there's going to be a lot of deflection and say, well, this wasn't this wasn't because of tariffs or this wasn't because they hollowed out the government or whatever the excuse might be. but the truth is, is you need to continue to look and say, hey, was this the way it was a year ago or two years ago? or and why is it this way today? but no, i think the reason you're seeing support the way it is because people haven't felt the impacts of some of these policies. >> senator, one of the things that this provides is democrats and opportunity. i want to play

you something from your former colleague, senator chris murphy. he was talking to our colleague jen psaki on wednesday. >> the actual agenda. >> is to steal. from regular americans in order to pad the pockets of the rich. so what does this bill do? >> it actually. >> costs money for. >> 40% of the american public. you get. >> poorer if you were in the. >> bottom. >> 40%, and the richest families. >> get a tax cut. >> of $270,000, okay? nobody wants that. that's super unpopular. >> so how. >> do you get that done? you distract people by making them think that they're at war with other americans, making. >> them think that they have. >> something to fear from people who look different from them or speak a different language. >> now he's making a lot of the same points you were just making. and i think the thing that's really interesting is that the within the party and you know this better than i do, there's been this kind of tussle about we need to talk like regular people talk. and i feel like even though he was laying out very clearly like the policy issues that he has with the bill

and the other issues that he has with the bill, it was also talking like regular folks talk. and i'm curious what you think about that kind of strategy and how much how much the party needs to adopt it. >> yeah, it's absolutely essential. i mean, i think that if you can't talk to people in a way that they can relate with what you're saying, you're you're you're not you're not speaking to anybody. and chris murphy is absolutely correct. i think when you take a look at the increase in national debt because of this big, beautiful bill and the fact that that increase in the debt is happening because they're giving tax breaks to the to the ultra rich. it just doesn't it doesn't pass the smell test, eugene. and so he is absolutely right. but the fact is, is you've got to talk to people in a way that they can understand that. i think murphy does a pretty good job in that. and i think he's spot on with those those comments about the big, beautiful bill and how it affects regular people or working families, small businesses, and the benefits it gives to an elite few through

the tax tax bill. >> so, senator, you are former senator. you know, the folks up there on the hill, the republicans in particular, are going to have to vote for the so-called big beautiful bill. there are lots of people, lots of republican senators who are expressing concern about various aspects of this bill. at the end of the day, do you expect those republicans expressing concern to fall in line and ultimately vote for this bill. >> before the musk trump blow up? over the last few days, i would have said, absolutely, this thing's greased. it's going to go through. i think that blow up has changed the equation, and i think it has the potential of giving some of the folks that know better about this bill the backbone to vote no on it. we'll see what happens. jonathan, i think if you take a look at this bill, the list is long with what's wrong with it. i mean, truthfully, we could be talking about everything. everything,

everything from not only the tax code, but job corps and pbs and npr and list. the list is very, very long. trio program gets slashed. and so there will be accountability. and if the people in the senate take a look at this, it, modify it, make it better, they may have some ability to escape the accountability, but this is not a good bill. it could drive our country into a recession, quite frankly. >> yeah. and if they if the. senate messes with the bill, it has to go to the house and all bets are off. then former senator jon tester staying with us through the break, because when we come back building american bananas, the b-a-n-a-n-a-s comment from trump's commerce secretary, as he was grilled in congress this week about trump's tariffs and the soaring costs of one of america's favorite fruits. also, if you have a question you want us to tackle, follow the prompt on your screen to send it to our

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hold up. meanwhile, concerns over trump's tariffs aren't going away anytime soon. on wednesday, tariffs on steel and aluminum imports doubled to 50%. economists are warning this could raise prices on cars, houses, canned goods and other groceries. this week, trump's. commerce secretary, howard lutnick, got a timely reminder of the impact tariffs have on consumers. >> what's the tariff on bananas? americans, by the way, love bananas. we buy billions of them a year. i love bananas. what's the tariff on bananas? >> generally 10%. >> correct 10%. walmart has already increased the cost of bananas by 8%. >> countries do deals. with us that will. >> go to zero. >> there's no. >> uncertainty. if you build in america and you produce your product in america, it will be no tariff. we can't. produce a building in america. >> and pay no tariffs. >> we cannot. very, very clear. >> we cannot build bananas in america.

>> we can point out that bananas are grown in some areas of the united states, but not nearly enough to meet the demand. so the answer is still b-a-n-a-n-a-s jon tester is back with us. and joining the conversation is axios senior economics reporter courtney brown. so courtney, welcome to the table. you you coauthored a piece in axios titled the look under the hood jobs report. explain what you see when you look under the hood. >> can i tell. >> you the metaphor i actually. >> wanted to use? >> yes. >> you know. >> when. >> you clean your. >> apartment, you've got relatives coming over. you clean, clean, clean. you shove everything in that. >> closet. >> everything's fine as long as you don't open that closet. right? >> that is this jobs report. >> the headline number 130,000 jobs. that's great. unemployment rate held at 4.2%. >> that's great. >> historically low. but then you. >> dig. >> into the report and you see some worrying signs. the downward revisions. you mentioned 100,000 jobs nearly just shaved off. >> from. >> march and april. also.

>> 625,000 people. >> exited the labor force. that's bad. that's not great. i know this sounds wonky, but it's very important that we have workers coming off the sidelines to meet the demand that employers might have. >> so the fact. >> that we had such a huge surge of people exiting the workforce. >> says something. >> about what's. >> what's out there right. >> now. >> how confident they feel about their ability to get jobs. and on the job. revisions downward for march and april should also point out that the january numbers were revised down to down by 14,000 jobs, and the february numbers were revised down by 34,000 by 34,000 jobs. >> so yeah. >> it continues to happen. senator tester, you know, one of the things that we have heard over and over from this white house is that everyone's clamoring to get deals, tariff deals with them. and i want to play you, senator kennedy, grilling howard lutnick about the end goal of the tariffs.

>> if vietnam. >> for example. >> came to you tomorrow and said, okay. mr. secretary. >> you win. >> we're going to remove. >> all tariffs. and all. >> trade barriers. >> would the united. states please do the same? would you accept that deal? >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. that would be the. >> silliest thing we. >> could do. what's the purpose of reciprocity then? >> is reciprocity not one of your goals? >> so i put that question to you. what what do you think is the goal of these terrorists, if not reciprocity, as they've said over and over again? >> well, look, i think, i think it might be reciprocity. i think it might be holding china accountable for their their trade policies. but the problem is and by the way, when secretary lutnick talks about this is this is our goals. those those aren't bad goals. the problem is, is flawed policy. it

doesn't work. and it's not going to work because you don't you don't apply tariffs across the board to everybody do business with regardless of their friends or foes, regardless of their good trade deals or not. remember, president trump signed the trade deal with canada and mexico in his first term. it was a good trade deal. then all of a sudden they were wiping that off. and we're doing things that just don't make any sense. and i would i would just say that if you're going to apply tariffs, you need to look for reciprocity. and we need to hold china accountable. but unfortunately this white house is not they're saying one thing and doing another. and by the way this just doesn't happen in tariffs. this happens in things across the board from food inspection right down the line. and quite honestly that's why things aren't working. these are not these policies are not thought through in a way that makes sense for america's families. and in the end, america's families are going to pay a tax, a tariff on all these

goods. and we're seeing it. the lady from congress talked about bananas. it's going to be that way for products made out of steel and aluminum and everything else. and by the way, the margins are not good in many of these businesses. and it's going to it's going to put a lot of people out of work. and it's going to it's going to cause businesses to go into bankruptcy. that's what i believe the long term impacts of this are going to be. >> and courtney, the senator, provided a beautiful setup for the question i was about to ask you. you wrote in in axios on wednesday on how we're seeing a pandemic flashback and quote you back to you. factories are reporting increasingly longer delivery times of supplies. material prices are rising at a faster rate. automakers are warning of supply disruptions, shutting down assembly lines, with at least one carmaker pausing production. then also on wednesday, cnbc had the headline on rising prices. most companies are already raising prices or plan to because of tariffs. data show more than 30% of manufacturers and roughly 45% of

service firms pass through all of the higher costs to their consumers, according to the new york fed's statistics. these are real, real one is foreseen impact in terms of disruptions, and the other one is we are already consumers are already paying. right, right. >> so this is. >> very uncomfortable for. manufacturers who are reporting. and by the. >> way, this. >> is. >> private sector data. >> that regularly comes out regularly. surveys small medium large manufacturers. and what they're telling them is that, you know, we have never. we have we haven't seen anything like this since the height of the pandemic. >> it's a. >> very uncomfortable comparison. they don't know what's next. they don't know when they're going to be able to get their inputs. and when they do get their inputs, they know that they're. >> paying more. and as you. >> say. they're not going to take. >> all that cost on themselves. >> of course not. no, they they're going to split it up through the supply chain. and some of it is going to fall on the consumer. that is just fact. the extent to which.

>> prices get passed. >> on to. >> the consumer. that's the huge. question for. >> the. >> federal reserve. >> other economic. policy makers. but i. >> think. >> the question of whether prices are going. >> up, that. is that is settled. >> they are this whole situation is you know what this whole situation is, courtney. what? >> bananas. mr. capehart likes to say, facts are stubborn things. >> gwen stefani is going to. >> give you a call. >> she is, she is. >> she wants the money. >> she can call me. >> courtney brown and jon tester. thank you so much for joining. coming up, harvard hits back inside a federal judge's decision to temporarily halt trump's foreign student ban at harvard, and why the president keeps taking l's in his war against the nation's oldest college. you're watching the college. you're watching the weekend. (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way. ♪

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punching back this week after trump issued yet another order to block the university from enrolling international students, harvard rushed to court, as they've been doing, and in just four hours, the federal judge ruled in the school's favor and issued a temporary restraining order, saying the president's directive would cause immediate and irreparable injury. but despite the loss, the administration shows no signs of easing up on harvard. education secretary linda linda mcmahon admitted the university has taken steps to counter antisemitism on campus, but she gives the credit to trump's policies. >> i have seen progress at. >> columbia and you know why? i think. >> we're seeing progress? >> because we are putting these. >> measures in place and we're saying we're putting teeth behind what we're looking at. >> i'm really happy to see what. harvard did, but i wonder if maybe they didn't get a little. >> spur from our action. >> joining us now, maya jasanoff, coolidge professor of

history at harvard university and a former federal prosecutor and senior writer for politico magazine. professor, i want to start with you because, you know, we you're the first person, i think, that we've had from the from harvard actually here. so when you're on campus, as you're talking to professors, as you're talking to the administration there, how are you guys taking this? and why do you think you are the tip of the spear for this administration? >> well, i. think we're at the tip of the spear. >> because we're historically. >> the oldest university. >> in the us. >> one of the. >> richest and one of the most. >> prestigious. >> not just in the us, but in the world. so. >> you know, from a culture. >> war perspective, i. >> think there's a. >> lot of reasons why the president. >> and his. >> war. >> against the. >> elites wants. >> to target harvard. >> i think that we experience. >> it on campus. >> as an. >> unprecedented singling out of an institution of higher education. >> as one of the president's. >> enemies. and we view it as. >> as you said. >> the. >> tip of the spear. >> in a war. >> against all.

>> of higher. >> education in this. >> country. >> which is a very dangerous. >> thing that i think. >> all citizens. >> should be worried about. >> you know, the president thinks that harvard's just going to cave to all the pressure, listen to what he had to say on thursday. >> well, we want to do is see that list. there's no problem with that. this is anybody outside of our country, international students. because when we see some of the people that we've been watching, we say, where do these people come from? how is that possible? we want to have foreign students come very honored by it, but we want to see that list. harvard didn't want to give us the list. they're going to be giving us the list now. i think they're starting to behave, actually, if you want to know the truth. >> and so i should have been a little more specific about what the president was talking about. this is on the issue of visas for foreign students to come to harvard. but it's one more front in the war that the president has declared on harvard

university. i mean, what levers does the trump administration still have at its disposal to keep going at harvard? and does harvard have a legal leg to stand on going forward? >> yeah, i mean, he's. >> running out. >> of levers, it seems. right. i mean, he's trying. >> to now, obviously. >> you know, block the arrival. >> of international students. he's canceling contracts. he set in motion. >> all these. >> efforts to sort of harm the. >> university in. >> its most central sort of features. and legally, you know, they're doing a. >> pretty good job. >> so far. >> these cases are still in their early stages. >> the central. >> claim that. >> harvard is alleging is it's a first amendment. >> violation. >> that the administration is. >> retaliating, retaliating. >> against them. and i think for the most part. >> you know, they should prevail on those. >> types of claims. >> whether they will prevail. >> of course. >> is not. >> entirely predictable. i think in particular. >> the areas. >> where there. >> are sort of immigration implications, including like this proposed visa restriction, you know, courts tend to give the president more deference

around immigration. we saw this during the first term with the muslim ban, even. >> though there. >> were lots of questions. >> about why. >> that even came into existence. so, you know, it's hard to predict how this will all shake out. but they're, you know, they're winning. so far. but it's. >> early stages. >> still. >> professor, one of the things that has happened is harvard is standing up while other schools are. some folks call it capitulating, some others say trying to navigate a complicated process. have you been surprised by other universities, like columbia, that have tried to figure out a different way to do this, and maybe aren't standing up? standing as tough as harvard is? >> i'm certainly disappointed. i recognize. >> though, the. >> very real. >> financial impacts that these. >> moves have. they have the potential. to shut down. research enterprises in lifesaving. >> areas of medical. >> research in. >> all kinds. >> of things. >> that are. >> really the. >> at the core. of what universities. >> are about. and so if you're

faced. >> with a. >> choice of. halting your. >> activities. >> possibly laying. >> off thousands. >> of people. >> basically becoming something. >> that is. >> unrecognizable from. >> what you're. >> set up to do. >> and making some changes to your policies. >> i certainly. >> understand why people are making. >> those choices, but i am. >> very disappointed. i mean, the. >> analogy that. >> comes to. >> mind to me is. >> that. >> the government is holding a gun to. >> institutions heads and they're. >> saying. >> all right, you can, you know, i'm going to shoot you. but if you don't want me to shoot. >> you. >> please hang yourself. and this is a this. >> is an. >> absurd situation that universities. >> have been. >> put into. i'm glad that harvard. >> is standing. >> up. >> for the principles. >> at stake and frankly, for fundamental constitutional. >> rights and for the other colleges, too. right. because, like you said, harvard's the tip of the spear. if the administration, if any administration is able to take on the oldest, the most prestigious, the richest school,

then what chance do the others have? >> absolutely. if harvard didn't. >> do. >> it, nobody was. >> going to do it. and it's very uncertain to me. as as. >> just pointed. >> out, we don't know. >> how this is going to play out. >> harvard on. >> the other. >> side. of this. may. >> look really. >> different from. >> what it was. >> at. >> the beginning of this. but. >> you know, if harvard didn't do it, then we would be looking at a, i think, a really big. wipeout of universities. >> and other. >> institutions of civil. society in what is clearly an authoritarian power grab by this administration. >> you know, we for weeks now, months now, we have been talking about what the professor is talking about. the administration's. power grab in various aspects and going after institutions of higher learning, particularly harvard, is part of the authoritarian playbook. i guess where i'm going is he can do all these things, hammer away

at harvard institute, yet another muslim ban, and force people to take him to court. but how certain? how concerned are you that when these cases all get to the supreme court, that the administration will probably win most of them? you know. >> i don't know. >> how much of it they'll win. >> they'll probably win some. unclear how much it is. >> a. >> you know, a been a prominent trend of this administration. and it's been a problematic one. i would say, though, that, you know, i think it's important to distinguish when we're talking about trump's sort of revenge campaign or the use of the office for retaliatory purposes. you know, there are all sorts of things that have come under that umbrella, including his attacks on law firms, including his reprisals against certain individuals like chris krebs. i think the universities are categorically distinct for a very important reason, which the professor touched on, which is that the effects of the administration's actions toward

them don't just affect the university in the way that it would be. you know, the effects. >> are localized. >> on a law firm, in fact, the whole country and the whole world, because of how much research and other activities they do that most of us don't have to worry about or even think about. but they are the primary engines of innovation in a lot of areas in this country. and so we actually. >> all. >> have a stake in this. i went to columbia, and columbia is obviously come under this same sort of set of pressures, but it's not it is categorically distinct. i think the stakes are higher. >> professor maya jasanoff, ankush, thank you both very much for coming to the weekend. when we come back, a first for this show, we've got three democratic state attorneys general joining us to lay out their priorities for taking on the trump administration. >> safelite repair. perfecting your swing is hard. nice shot. dad. oh, safelite replace. but

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they're winning. just on thursday, a federal judge ordered the reinstatement of the national service program, americorps and its grants across 24 democratic led states after doge and the administration tried to dismantle it. joining us now, three democratic attorneys general that were part of that lawsuit, delaware attorney general kathy jennings, colorado attorney general phil weiser, and illinois attorney general kwame raoul. thank you all very much for coming to the weekend. so some democratic attorneys general have described entering the next phase of their legal battles against the trump administration. attorney general. i'll start with you. do you agree that you've entered a new phase, and if so, what makes this phase different? >> well, i don't know. >> i mean, i think it's a continuous experience. >> for. >> us because each and every day and quite frankly, each. and every portion of a day brings a

new challenge to us. >> certainly we. >> we entered different phases. of different litigation that we're engaged in, where we start often with temporary restraining orders. and then preliminary injunctions. and sometimes there there are appeals on certain portions of our. our claims to courts of review. and so depending on which matter you're talking about, we're in a different phase. but with each and every day there's a new action. ag jennings you know, one of the things that we continue to see with this administration is emergency appeals. on friday, trump asked the supreme court to let him basically gut the education department in an emergency appeal. it's happened over and over and over again, right. that they kind of want to get thrown on this shadow docket. and i'm curious what you think of that as a strategy. it seems like at least kantaji brown jackson, the supreme court justice, is

getting a little exhausted by all of these emergencies. >> that's exactly right. good morning. and trump. >> has had to. >> appeal to. >> the united states. supreme court. >> quite often. because we're. >> beating him. >> and the courts below. >> and right now. this democratic. >> state. >> attorneys general are the strongest. bulwark that. >> this. >> country has. >> against donald trump's. cruel and arbitrary decisions. and so using the shadow. >> docket isn't the right way to go. shadow means that it's not transparent. >> what i believe. >> is that. we're going to prevail. whatever court. >> we are in, because. >> we have. >> the law and the united states. >> constitution on our side. we're going to. >> continue to fight. >> and we are going. >> to continue to win. >> general weiser, the supreme court did something that i find extremely troubling, and that is

they have allowed doge to access social security data that is the most personal and private of private information of the american people. how concerned should we be that now, people who were brought in by someone who was not elected and not senate confirmed, will now have these folks will now have access to our information. >> i'm concerned. >> about that. >> and we brought. >> our own case. >> involves other private information, your tax. >> returns. >> your bank accounts. >> all. >> this held. >> at the department. >> of treasury. >> and what we highlighted. >> in. >> that case. and we. >> want. >> in that. case like the others we're. >> talking about. >> is that people who are unsupervised, people who are not trained. >> people who didn't follow protocols. >> had. >> access to information. >> that could end. >> up on the dark web and other places. >> there are protocols. >> in government to. >> protect people and to protect. >> our information. >> for good reasons.

>> the supreme court making this decision as ag jennings, said. >> in a hasty way. >> on. >> the so-called. >> shadow docket. >> it's not the right way for them to decide important issues. >> there's too much room for error. >> it should take its time. as justice jackson. >> said. >> it should be careful and deliberate. >> this administration is being reckless. they're acting. >> hastily. >> and the way doge. >> has gone about their work is. >> very concerning. >> that's why we. >> brought. this case against the. >> department of treasury. >> that's why. >> we won. >> this other. >> case is not one that we were involved with, but it obviously concerns us. and we're. >> going to keep protecting. >> the american people. >> ag raoul, you know what, as you see it, what do you think is kind of the most dangerous actions that the administration has done that have gone to court? i know, you know, for you guys, it's all probably the rule of law. put that one to the side for a bit, but that's a huge one of the things that have gone to court that you've seen work its way through the courts. what's the most concerning to you? >> well. >> first of. >> all. >> you know, i think generally

across the. >> board. >> there's not a single action. >> that. we have. >> filed because we. have a policy difference. with the administration. we do have that policy difference, but we file each and every case because the constitution has been thrown out the window. the laws enacted by congress have been thrown out the window. >> we filed these lawsuits. >> because they've been pursued illegally. and donald trump said maybe a month or so ago, when asked whether he has the obligation of following the constitution, he says, i don't know. i'm not a lawyer. we cannot stand aside as attorneys general or as a public at large. when we have a president of the united states who took an oath to uphold the constitution. who's saying that he doesn't know whether he has to follow the constitution? certainly for me, as a cancer survivor, the nih grants and nsf grants that allow research institutions to research cures for cancer and other diseases is a personal one

to me. birthright citizenship is a personal one to me because i am a birthright citizen. but across the board, it's a methodology. >> ag jennings there's so many things you guys are all of you are firing on all cylinders to push back against this administration. are there things coming down the road that you have your eye on that we aren't paying attention to just yet? >> well, we're paying. >> attention to everything he does. >> and when. >> he breaks the law. >> and we. >> have the legal tools. >> tools in. >> our toolbox, which. >> we tend to have. >> pretty strongly, we're going. to fight him. >> he seems to be very. >> focused right now. >> on immigration. >> and requiring. >> people like friends of mine who fight. domestic violence to sign certifications to get

violence against women, funds that. require these organizations to agree that they are not going. to do anything. >> illegal in the. immigration front, they're not going to practice diversity. >> they are not going. >> to do. >> x. >> y, z. >> and it just makes no. >> sense to me. >> these are grants that have. historically been handed out to victims of domestic violence. they've been a bulwark for our state and states across the country fighting against. domestic violence. >> and now they're being. >> asked to certify to things. >> that have nothing to do. with their organization's mission. that's cruel, that's unnecessary. >> and. >> it's hurting victims directly. >> ag weiser, one of the things that we know about this administration is they're not scared to go after their political opponents and the retaliation personally on folks

who they see as their enemies comes almost every single day. are you worried about political retaliation personally? >> well, president. trump's attacked me personally. on truth social. >> and i. >> have had death threats against me. >> i'm putting myself out there to run for governor of my state, to. >> stay. >> in elected. >> public service, because. >> i'm not afraid. >> and i believe that this. republic is a republic where everybody. >> has the. >> rights accorded. >> under the constitution. the 14th amendment says all persons have. >> due process. >> of law. my family came here after surviving the holocaust. my mom was actually born in a concentration camp and was liberated by the us army. and so, like my. fellow ags, protecting the. >> constitution is. >> personal to me. i'm not afraid of standing up for what i believe in. >> i recognize. >> that we're living in a very dark time, and a. time when people who are elected officials, even judges. >> are being targeted. but we're.

>> fighting for something. >> we believe in. >> and we. >> have work to do. >> we have our own. obligations to. >> the constitution. >> it's worth mentioning. >> and aj. said this. the president. >> said he. >> doesn't know if he's to follow the constitution. and that's clear. he doesn't know because the first day in office, he tried to override. >> the. >> 14th amendment's. >> protection of birthright citizenship. >> and when that. >> case. >> went to the supreme court, people weren't even defending the merits of what he did. the question that was. >> really on. >> the table is whether or not everyone or every state has to bring their own case, or can you get a universal injunction to protect. the constitution? the constitution is on the line. i'll fight. for it, and i'm not going to be afraid. >> attorneys general kathy jennings, phil weiser, and kwame raoul, thank you so much for the treat to have all three of you on today. we'll have to do it again sometime. up. >> thank you, thank you. >> up next late night laughs this week's best jokes on the breakdown of donald trump and elon musk's political relationship. their bromance. and don't forget, you can listen to every episode of the weekend as a podcast for free. scan the

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>> he's never. >> been more relatable. i can't. >> believe it. >> thankfully, a cooler head has. stepped in to calm. >> things down. kanye tweeted. gross, please, >> no hug emoji. >> we love you both. >> so much. >> you know. >> things are nuts. >> when. >> the guy. >> trying to bring everyone. >> together is. >> kanye west. i feel. >> bad for. >> donald trump. i mean. first he lost jeffrey epstein, now elon, he's running out of friends. this is so hard for everyone except me. of course this is great for. >> me. >> but i mean. >> come on bro. no. >> he's like the kid, you know, with dueling parents who gets custody of kanye. >> exactly. not us. yeah, the two of the goblin child. i mean. >> i mean, we all saw this coming. we knew this fight was going to come. >> you think it's going to be as big as. >> it's been? >> yes. i mean, that's personal. i mean. >> yes, of course. yo, they

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